"Fishy" Views Regarding the Healthcare Plan...

fruitdog · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:09 am **Posts:** 6504

is it ok to speculate that people holding up swastikas are probably also birthers?

bigboy · **Joined:** Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:57 pm **Posts:** 7484

STOP MAKING UNFAIR GENERALIZATIONS DAMMIT!!1111!!!1111!!

RayinDallas · **Joined:** Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:08 pm **Posts:** 171

fruitdog wrote:

is it ok to speculate that people holding up swastikas are probably also birthers?

No, they are not related. You can speculate that Walt's weenis is probably small, limp, shriveled and periodically covered with herpes sores, but beyond that, you should stick to demonstrable facts....

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:58 pm

RayinDallas wrote:

fruitdog wrote:

is it ok to speculate that people holding up swastikas are probably also birthers?

No, they are not related. You can speculate that Walt's weenis is probably small, limp, shriveled and periodically covered with herpes sores, but beyond that, you should stick to demonstrable facts....

ok, so the point you're going so far out of your way to make is that it's just ridiculous to in anyway make a connection between birthers and townhallers? Besides the fact that they're both fanatical conservative protest movements built largely on the false promulgations and scare tactics of the extreme rightwing media and interest groups, not to mention that the first townhall ruckus of note was made by a birther about Obama's birth certificate?

I agree. That's totally out of line.

RayinDallas · **Joined:** Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:08 pm **Posts:** 171

Sagger Pance wrote:

RayinDallas wrote:

fruitdog wrote:

is it ok to speculate that people holding up swastikas are probably also birthers?

No, they are not related. You can speculate that Walt's weenis is probably small, limp, shriveled and periodically covered with herpes sores, but beyond that, you should stick to demonstrable facts....

ok, so the point you're going so far out of your way to make is that it's just ridiculous to in anyway make a connection between birthers and townhallers? Besides the fact that they're both fanatical conservative protest movements built largely on the false promulgations and scare tactics of the extreme rightwing media and interest groups, not to mention that the first townhall ruckus of note was made by a birther about Obama's birth certificate?

I agree. That's totally out of line.

How about you not characterizing my point for me douchebag....my point is that labeling dissenters as birthers or racist is a chickenshit generalization that seeks to diminish their concerns by labeling them as wackos.... what you cite as "facts' are merely your perception of these people and their case... state your case instead of labeling them as you see fit...

Diello · **Joined:** Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 2878

I will state my case for you: boobs are good.

Sweet Greggo · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:36 am

Since when do any of my comments warrant this much debate? Jesus, this is ME we're talking about here.

fruitdog · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:09 am **Posts:** 6504

I'm going to make a generalization right here. People that go to these town hall meetings aren't looking for 'discussion'.

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:30 am

RayinDallas wrote:

Sagger Pance wrote:

RayinDallas wrote:

fruitdog wrote:

is it ok to speculate that people holding up swastikas are probably also birthers?

No, they are not related. You can speculate that Walt's weenis is probably small, limp, shriveled and periodically covered with herpes sores, but beyond that, you should stick to demonstrable facts....

ok, so the point you're going so far out of your way to make is that it's just ridiculous to in anyway make a connection between birthers and townhallers? Besides the fact that they're both fanatical conservative protest movements built largely on the false promulgations and scare tactics of the extreme rightwing media and interest groups, not to mention that the first townhall ruckus of note was made by a birther about Obama's birth certificate?

I agree. That's totally out of line.

How about you not characterizing my point for me douchebag....my point is that labeling dissenters as birthers or racist is a chickenshit generalization that seeks to diminish their concerns by labeling them as wackos.... what you cite as "facts' are merely your perception of these people and their case... state your case instead of labeling them as you see fit...

I think the point... douchebag, is that your point (at least the one you're claiming to be yours at this very instant) is fucking some retarded ninny backwards ass denial of a relatively clear agenda. If you can't see the racial undertones in denying the legitimacy of this president, portraying him as an illegal immigrant, a muslim terrorist, a nazi, as an evil interloper who is going to steal your freedoms away from you, you, sir, are a fucking dipshit.

And you know what's fun? You called me names first so I get to call you a dipshit without losing any credibility in this argument.

No one needs to marginalize the intellectuality of the birther movement or the swastika carrying townhall freaks by calling them racist. They do that just fine by stating their own ludicrous arguments. But as I said before, if you can't see the racism in all of this, you're about as sharp as a fucking turd.

I never said shit about my perception of these people. I certainly didn't cite "facts" about them. Unless you mean when I referenced the glut of polls showing how many southerners think Obama isn't american. The fact is, you're not even responding to anything anyone has said... at all. You're simply responding to what you think we believe and calling us all chickenshit for "having" the belief that you cooked up in your own vacuous mind.

So how bout you take your own advice and state your case rather than responding to imaginary points that were never brought up.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:18 am

Tit Whistle · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:50 am **Posts:** 15284

Can someone get Cods back over here to settle this?

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:13 pm

these aren't lukewarm

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:47 pm

He's just trying to draw me offsides. He thinks his comments mean something to me.

vbear · **Posted:** Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:53 am

fruitdog wrote:

I'm going to make a generalization right here. People that go to these town hall meetings aren't looking for 'discussion'.

you win the debate

Ichabod · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:08 pm **Posts:** 1901

UK 'lagging' on cancer survival

Why is the UK lagging on cancer?

Interestingly enough, the Members of Parliament were defending the quality of service of their national healthcare system because of the criticisms being charged by the US media.

I spoke with a couple of my counterparts regarding their system while I was there last week. We didn't specifically discuss cancer treatments, but I was told that they felt that their system worked pretty well with regard to setting up check-ups or awaking ill and needing to see the doctor.

Ichabod · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:08 pm **Posts:** 1901

This graph includes the US....

Here's the link to the story...UK cancer survival rate lowest in Europe

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

well there ya go, screw doing anything about healthcare.

Sweet Greggo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:56 pm

So if congress passes this health care bill we all start dying of cancer? What am I missing here?

Ichabod · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:08 pm **Posts:** 1901

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

well there ya go, screw doing anything about healthcare.

No, screw Government run healthcare......

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:59 pm

Ichabod wrote:

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

well there ya go, screw doing anything about healthcare.

No, screw Government run healthcare......

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

Ichabod wrote:

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

well there ya go, screw doing anything about healthcare.

No, screw Government run healthcare......

then say that, instead of using some really stretched out logic and cutesy graphs.

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

Sweet Greggo wrote:

So if congress passes this health care bill we all start dying of cancer? What am I missing here?

Republicans and near Republicans don't want anything to change.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:06 pm

We got all the bills for the birth of our little girl. Rough estimate is around $27K and that's on the low side. Our portion will be around $3500. Yeah, I'm cool with the current system.

Sweet Greggo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:09 pm

TerdFerguson wrote:

We got all the bills for the birth of our little girl. Rough estimate is around $27K and that's on the low side. Our portion will be around $3500. Yeah, I'm cool with the current system.

That sounds high. Our out of pocket wasn't half that for my youngest.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:11 pm

Sweet Greggo wrote:

TerdFerguson wrote:

We got all the bills for the birth of our little girl. Rough estimate is around $27K and that's on the low side. Our portion will be around $3500. Yeah, I'm cool with the current system.

That sounds high. Our out of pocket wasn't half that for my youngest.

Maybe it was the emergency c-section. Thank goodness we had the option and no one told us we just had to keep pushing.

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

fuck that, we kidnapped :rockon:

. Took forever for the Michael Jackson skin dye to take.

Ichabod · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:08 pm **Posts:** 1901

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

Ichabod wrote:

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

well there ya go, screw doing anything about healthcare.

No, screw Government run healthcare......

then say that, instead of using some really stretched out logic and cutesy graphs.

Fuck that noise. I made my point and backed it up.....

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:21 pm

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

fuck that, we kidnapped :rockon:

. Took forever for the Michael Jackson skin dye to take.

I did notice at one your parties that he could do a kick ass moonwalk.

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

TerdFerguson wrote:

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

fuck that, we kidnapped :rockon:

. Took forever for the Michael Jackson skin dye to take.

I did notice at one your parties that he could do a kick ass moonwalk.

I still iron his hair daily.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:24 pm

Don't let it catch fire.

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

TerdFerguson wrote:

Don't let it catch fire.

*tells rockon to get off stage, starts taking pyrotechnics apart*
dammit.

RayinDallas · **Joined:** Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:08 pm **Posts:** 171

Mallard Toss wrote:

TerdFerguson wrote:

Sagger Pance wrote:

I think the point... douchebag, is that your point (at least the one you're claiming to be yours at this very instant) is fucking some retarded ninny backwards ass denial of a relatively clear agenda. If you can't see the racial undertones in denying the legitimacy of this president, portraying him as an illegal immigrant, a muslim terrorist, a nazi, as an evil interloper who is going to steal your freedoms away from you, you, sir, are a fucking dipshit.

And you know what's fun? You called me names first so I get to call you a dipshit without losing any credibility in this argument.

No one needs to marginalize the intellectuality of the birther movement or the swastika carrying townhall freaks by calling them racist. They do that just fine by stating their own ludicrous arguments. But as I said before, if you can't see the racism in all of this, you're about as sharp as a fucking turd.

I never said shit about my perception of these people. I certainly didn't cite "facts" about them. Unless you mean when I referenced the glut of polls showing how many southerners think Obama isn't american. The fact is, you're not even responding to anything anyone has said... at all. You're simply responding to what you think we believe and calling us all chickenshit for "having" the belief that you cooked up in your own vacuous mind.

So how bout you take your own advice and state your case rather than responding to imaginary points that were never brought up.

And none of them are vocally intelligible or intelligent.

Ray, always bear in mind the motivations of the individual. Sagger is essentially a ward of the state. He has no fundamental political foundation. He is simply for the candidate or whatever political party who will pay and provide more to his lazy fucking ass . Clearly, at the present, that’s Obama and his band of liberal thieves. Talk about milking a medical condition forever. He’s a drain and a non-contributor to society and as such, his naïve, uneducated and self-serving comments should be ignored as the jokes they are. He’s a societal parasite. Pay this pathetic moron no mind.

Well of course, I wasn't going to go there... In the end, my only objection is the idiotic Bill Maher, Keith OBie characterization of all townhallers as birthers or racists... that is simply a diversionary tactic to avoid discussing the merits of the issue. I have good health care, but I still spend 5 to 7k out of pocket for a family of five. Give me competition across state lines and the ability to set aside 5 to 7k tax free to cover my expense, and I'm happy. But instead we want to fuck with EVERYBODYs coverage for the benefit of 15%... godd fucking logic.

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:01 pm

That's an awesome (post hoc ergo propter hoc) point that Ich brought up and it totally invalidates the fact that tonight my friend is taking her kid to the emergency room for a swollen gland in his throat because she makes too much for medicaid and too little to afford insurance or to pay a regular doctor bill upfront. Bravo.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:24 pm

No one said kids were cheap. If you can't afford them, don't have them. If your dream is to be a parent, save up. Next thing you know you are probably going to tell me she deserves a house like everyone else. We can't expect her to live on the streets because that wouldn't be fair so let's pay for her housing as well. She has to raise these kids after all. I'm all for having clinics available to minors and I wish there was a better solution for your friend but overhauling the health care system at my expense isn't the answer. If you can't afford the consequences of having sex then you need to stop fucking.

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:24 pm

RayinDallas wrote:

Mallard Toss wrote:

TerdFerguson wrote:

Sagger Pance wrote:

I think the point... douchebag, is that your point (at least the one you're claiming to be yours at this very instant) is fucking some retarded ninny backwards ass denial of a relatively clear agenda. If you can't see the racial undertones in denying the legitimacy of this president, portraying him as an illegal immigrant, a muslim terrorist, a nazi, as an evil interloper who is going to steal your freedoms away from you, you, sir, are a fucking dipshit.

And you know what's fun? You called me names first so I get to call you a dipshit without losing any credibility in this argument.

No one needs to marginalize the intellectuality of the birther movement or the swastika carrying townhall freaks by calling them racist. They do that just fine by stating their own ludicrous arguments. But as I said before, if you can't see the racism in all of this, you're about as sharp as a fucking turd.

I never said shit about my perception of these people. I certainly didn't cite "facts" about them. Unless you mean when I referenced the glut of polls showing how many southerners think Obama isn't american. The fact is, you're not even responding to anything anyone has said... at all. You're simply responding to what you think we believe and calling us all chickenshit for "having" the belief that you cooked up in your own vacuous mind.

So how bout you take your own advice and state your case rather than responding to imaginary points that were never brought up.

And none of them are vocally intelligible or intelligent.

Ray, always bear in mind the motivations of the individual. Sagger is essentially a ward of the state. He has no fundamental political foundation. He is simply for the candidate or whatever political party who will pay and provide more to his lazy fucking ass . Clearly, at the present, that’s Obama and his band of liberal thieves. Talk about milking a medical condition forever. He’s a drain and a non-contributor to society and as such, his naïve, uneducated and self-serving comments should be ignored as the jokes they are. He’s a societal parasite. Pay this pathetic moron no mind.

Well of course, I wasn't going to go there... In the end, my only objection is the idiotic Bill Maher, Keith OBie characterization of all townhallers as birthers or racists... that is simply a diversionary tactic to avoid discussing the merits of the issue. I have good health care, but I still spend 5 to 7k out of pocket for a family of five. Give me competition across state lines and the ability to set aside 5 to 7k tax free to cover my expense, and I'm happy. But instead we want to fuck with EVERYBODYs coverage for the benefit of 15%... godd fucking logic.

A. Olberman is a self-important douchebag.
B. People like Bill Maher, Rachel maddow, etc. have gone on the offensive about the birthers BECAUSE those people are just their to cause a ruckus and that shit takes away from the actual discussion. If you are actually in favor of a discussion, you should be going out of your way to condemn those people instead of pretending you're not smart enough to see the underlying hate in all of it.
C. Competition across state lines will do nothing more than offer insurance companies a way to outsource all of their jobs to whichever state has the most loopholes or least regulation and would end up fucking people anyway.
D. That 15% (like my friend tonight) drives up the cost of medical procedures because the hospitals end up taking on a lot of the price of a visit either through lack of payment or payment assistance.
E. If you like that plan so much, you should encourage Mccain to run for president again.... or maybe encourage the republicans in office to join the debate and do something constructive with their time instead of fear mongering and spreading lies about the only healthcare plan that's actually been proposed.

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:30 pm

TerdFerguson wrote:

No one said kids were cheap. If you can't afford them, don't have them. If your dream is to be a parent, save up. Next thing you know you are probably going to tell me she deserves a house like everyone else. We can't expect her to live on the streets because that wouldn't be fair so let's pay for her housing as well. She has to raise these kids after all. I'm all for having clinics available to minors and I wish there was a better solution for your friend but overhauling the health care system at my expense isn't the answer. If you can't afford the consequences of having sex then you need to stop fucking.

Yeh you're right. She shoulda known the night she conceived this kid that she'd end up beat up and fucked over by her addict husband, a hurricane would destroy her entire life, and that the economy was 8 years away from going to absolute shit. That makes tons of sense.

Seriously dude, could you be any more obtuse? Kids aren't cheap. Save up before you have a kid just in case the shit hits the fan?

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:31 pm

So your logic is to have kids and hope everything works out just dandy? That's real smart.

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

since I'm completely beaten by the Birther idiots and the "Obama is a nazi" talk, and death panels, all I'll say is, fine.
What does the GOP want to do? Jeez, just say what you think should be done, if anything.

Sweet Greggo · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:36 pm

TerdFerguson wrote:

No one said kids were cheap. If you can't afford them, don't have them. If your dream is to be a parent, save up. If you can't afford the consequences of having sex then you need to stop fucking.

That's a ridiculous plan.

Sagger Pance · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:36 pm

TerdFerguson wrote:

So your logic is to have kids and hope everything works out just dandy? That's real smart.

I love how everything is so straight forward, black and white in your world. Don't have kids. Do you have 50-100 grand saved up for the rugrat that you just had? What if you lose your job and it gets leukemia or some shit? Should you just never have had the kid?

rowdyhatinwalt · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 pm **Posts:** 20439

everyone's a hard ass conservative until shit happens to them.

TerdFerguson · **Posted:** Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:40 pm

rowdyhatinwalt wrote:

since I'm completely beaten by the Birther idiots and the "Obama is a nazi" talk, and death panels, all I'll say is, fine.
What does the GOP want to do? Jeez, just say what you think should be done, if anything.

The answer ain't overhauling health care for the rare instance that a chick gets beat up by her addict husband then loses her house in a hurricane right before the economy tanks. I would have figured there were programs out there to help people like that but I wouldn't know. I'm fortunate enough not to have to use them.

Oh, and I'm cool with the way things are. All I know is I don't want to bankrupt the country to nationalize healthcare. I hear 47 million are uninsured and I also here 15 mill. I imagine the number is somewhere in between but fuck paying for the "invincibles" who could otherwise pay for some sort of plan but would rather spend it on smokes and booze.

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