ok, put aside the talking points you have there regarding 'nationalizing healthcare'. You're using language that makes it obvious you're more likely than not really open to discuss it.
Fine.
What about rising costs?
Every small business (25 or less employees) that I've worked at have had premiums go up, and usually up by a fair percentage on a yearly basis.
Is that ok?

25% of the homeless are single moms. That's not a rare case, genius.

So are we talking about the government paying for everyone's leukemia treatments or regular visits to the doctor? And yes I have money saved.

50% of divorced single moms live in poverty. Not a rare case.
60% of unmarried single moms live in poverty. Not a rare case.
don't get me started on the breakdowns by minority group.

the point is you don't know what is going to happen. so the idea that you can just save some money before you have a kid as a preventative measure is fucking retarded, man. Not to mention that it does nothing for the actual issue that's actually here that affects the cost of healthcare for all of us.

well good for you, Terd. i'm happy that you have money saved, but i sure hope nothing happens to you if you happen to lose your insurance. watch how fast your little savings dwindle and you'll be lining up at the Parkland ER like the rest of them.

Same to you vbear. I hope nothing happens to you and your family.

Hey guys!

I'm learning some kickass stuff about being self-serving.

It's the American way, Tit.

the real american way is how a half mexican can sound like an angry white man.

I wish I lived in Fantasy Land where nothing ever changes and everything is gumdrops and puppy kisses.

Move to Plano.

Can I be a salesman and charge people way too much money for crappy products?

one of these days you're gonna have to come to grips with the fact that the godless liberal elite elected a terrorist nigger president.

And shit rainbows, yes.

throw in some anal from a unicorn and i'm so there.

and if you're not white, keep your fucking mouth shut.

unless there's a whiteman's cock in it.

Right. Then it's Youporn all the way.

It's REAL easy, trust me.

^coconut^

Just living the American dream.

No, I've had plenty of shit happen to me and I'm still a hard ass "fiscal" conservative.

I'm not necessarily opposed to healthcare reform per se. I just don't want to have the government control it. The ONLY arm of government with any real efficiency is Accounts Receivable. Other than that our funds are continually wasted due to bloated bureaucracies, mismanagement and downright graft and corruption. Obamacare would be no exception.

Trust me, between Ich Jr and the shit that I've been dealing with Ichette over the last two years, I'm not a great fan of insurance companies. However, that doesn't mean that I want President Obama to "rescue" me. I simply can't afford it.

Then spare the vitriol toward the mean ol' darkie president and offer some damned ideas.

Use of vitriol once again

love you

it is what it is. I get that you're against it and don't see a need to fix shit. Fine.
Ich'll sit over there, rail against Obama, then admit he agrees some shit's fucked up.
Ok, we get it. Obama sucks. So what would a libertarian propose beyond constantly taking shots?

You keep asking for our ideas. What's your idea to fix shit?

so you're not going to answer?
ok, figures.
Anyway, yes, I think a basic plan from the government is a good idea.
no, companies aren't going to freaking dump their coverage for it.
Forcing everyone to get coverage? No.
Preexisting conditions are a thing of the past.
I think the insurance exchange is a good idea.
Electronic records are a good idea. Face it, those records are already out there. Something I'm working on at work involves following HIPAA laws (which are strict) and has patient info in the records.
And, yes, I think helping the poor out is a good idea.
Yes, most of this is part of Obama's plan, and I agree with these points I've listed.

Sipping green tea in a tweed jacket?

The Libertarian Proposal:

Returning control over health care to the individual is the key to true health care reform.

The Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act puts control of health care back into the hands of the individual through tax credits, tax deductions, Health Care Savings Accounts (HSA), and Flexible Savings Accounts. By giving individuals tax incentives to purchase their own health care, the Comprehensive Health Care Act will help more Americans obtain quality health insurance and health care. Specifically, the Comprehensive Health Care Act:

1. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes.
2. Allows individuals to roll over unused amounts in cafeteria plans and Flexible Savings Accounts (FSA).
3. Makes every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), removes the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy to open an HSA; allows individuals to use their HSA to make premiums payments for high-deductible policy; and allows senior citizens to use their HSA to purchase Medigap policies.
4. Repeals the 7.5% threshold for the deduction of medical expenses, thus making all medical expenses tax deductible.

The Republican Proposal:

* Create state health insurance exchanges to allow Americans to compare different private market health insurance policies
* Guarantee Americans the same standard health benefits and choices as members of Congress now enjoy
* Ensure that no individual would be turned down by a participating
exchange insurers based on age or health
* Create a non-profit, independent board to risk adjust among participating insurance companies to penalize companies that "cherry pick" health patients and reward insurers that encourage prevention/wellness and cover patients with pre‐-existing conditions
* Gives states the ability to band together in regional pooling arrangements, as well as risk pools, reinsurance markets, or risk adjustment mechanisms to cover those deemed uninsurable.

In either scenario, government is not involved in the administration.....

SOCIALISM!!!!

That's still government, on a state level, at least.
And that's precisely what Obama wants to do on the federal level. And I'd feel better knowing it was on a level playing field, and not that it's easier for companies to cut corners here in this state because this damned state bends over backwards for businesses no matter what.

Um... so the libertarian idea is that the government should essentially pay for all healthcare? No wonder you can't get a libertarian elected.

not to mention those ideas benefit the more well to do even more.

I love how the fiscal conservative touts the idea that will cost the government the most money.

And how is a tax break in april 2010 gonna help a parent pay for a sick kid in may 2009? It won't. The poor won't be able to get the procedures anyway and the rich will get theirs comped.

SOCIALISM!

hi ted

ted's meh favorite nutty meskin.