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Congressman Ron Paul on Healthcare

It's 7 minutes long, but very insightful. Pay attention to what he says about plastic surgery and unregulated competition (no insurance) at about the 3:15 mark......

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Dallas AARP Meeting: An example of the MOB MENTALITY regarding the Healthcare Debate

I love how the woman who starts the meeting talks down to this group of senior citizens like they are a first grade class, then actually yanks the microphone and stomps out, like it's going to end the debate. :D

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You Are Terrifying Us

This opinion piece by Peggy Noonan I think pretty much sums up the public mood. We're not getting any answers....

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Dallas AARP Meeting: An example of the MOB MENTALITY regarding the Healthcare Debate

I love how the woman who starts the meeting talks down to this group of senior citizens like they are a first grade class, then actually yanks the microphone and stomps out, like it's going to end the debate. :D

I saw a report a couple of days ago on CNN about something like this. Apparently there are emails going around telling your friendly god fearing conservative folk to attend these town meetings and just basically disrupt them. They chant, use accusatory language and yell and scream until the meeting is over. Sounds like a good way to intelligently discuss the issues.

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Dallas AARP Meeting: An example of the MOB MENTALITY regarding the Healthcare Debate

I love how the woman who starts the meeting talks down to this group of senior citizens like they are a first grade class, then actually yanks the microphone and stomps out, like it's going to end the debate. :D

I saw a report a couple of days ago on CNN about something like this. Apparently there are emails going around telling your friendly god fearing conservative folk to attend these town meetings and just basically disrupt them. They chant, use accusatory language and yell and scream until the meeting is over. Sounds like a good way to intelligently discuss the issues.


You = gut laugh

Think for yourself, at least once in your life.

I don't even know what this means. I should stop watching the news?

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Sorry man, I didn't know my viewing choices affected you so much.

You don't have anything about engadget or Gizmodo, do you? I don't wanna push you over the edge or nothing.

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wtf??! I thought I was a Republican!

:stress: I'm so confused!!!

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Sorry man, I didn't know my viewing choices affected you so much.

You don't have anything about engadget or Gizmodo, do you? I don't wanna push you over the edge or nothing.


:D

No, sir. I'm trying not to get back into the circlejerk that is forum political posting. As it was not my intent to imply that liberals are unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless and easily dominated.


HaPPY Hour now...gotta go! Later.



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in, you ninja dork, you.


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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!


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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!

I'll bet everyone in that picture is a birther.

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Sweet Greggo wrote:
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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!

I'll bet everyone in that picture is a birther.

Plus they drew the swastika wrong. It should be in the shape of diamond. That's a serious offense where I come from.


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them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!


No, that's my point in all of this.... The Republicans were on the run backpedaling for the last 4 years and now it's the Dems turn. The maddening point is it's all political speak designed to protect party intent instead of.... Wait a minute, my constituents really seem to be resisting this, let's re-examine.

I know it's an oversimplification, but it IS supposed to be a representative republic of the people and not the parties.....

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them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!


No, that's my point in all of this.... The Republicans were on the run backpedaling for the last 4 years and now it's the Dems turn. The maddening point is it's all political speak designed to protect party intent instead of.... Wait a minute, my constituents really seem to be resisting this, let's re-examine.

I know it's an oversimplification, but it IS supposed to be a representative republic of the people and not the parties.....

Ich, half the country thinks the man was born in Kenya, or are just seriously pissed off they have a half black president. Just how much rational debating are you expecting to take place at these meetings? Most of these people demonstrating and causing rucussii don't give a rats about the topic at hand.

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them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!


No, that's my point in all of this.... The Republicans were on the run backpedaling for the last 4 years and now it's the Dems turn. The maddening point is it's all political speak designed to protect party intent instead of.... Wait a minute, my constituents really seem to be resisting this, let's re-examine.

I know it's an oversimplification, but it IS supposed to be a representative republic of the people and not the parties.....

Ich, half the country thinks the man was born in Kenya, or are just seriously pissed off they have a half black president. Just how much rational debating are you expecting to take place at these meetings? Most of these people demonstrating and causing rucussii don't give a rats about the topic at hand.

Plus he's one of them dothead muselims.


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them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!


No, that's my point in all of this.... The Republicans were on the run backpedaling for the last 4 years and now it's the Dems turn. The maddening point is it's all political speak designed to protect party intent instead of.... Wait a minute, my constituents really seem to be resisting this, let's re-examine.

I know it's an oversimplification, but it IS supposed to be a representative republic of the people and not the parties.....

and my point is, your vitriol only boils up if it involves Dems.


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I hold contempt for all politicians, admittedly more so for Dems since they seem to act like they know what's best for me. :dunno:

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I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


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they aren't doing that. They're shouting out anyone else from doing that.
That = bullshit.


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I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


Copy of supposed memo

Key quotes:

– “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

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I guess my question to all you angry ass conservatives about government out of control is, where the fuck were you when Bush did this?

I know Ich said stuff, but the rest of you were quiet as church mice.
(Department of Homeland Security, which the very name sounds very 1933's Germany)

now that freaking healthcare's proposed, it's ok to shout people down? No.


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Sweet Greggo wrote:
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I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


Copy of supposed memo

Key quotes:

– “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”


and it's because of this I think Dems should give up on any bipartisanship and force it thru Congress.
Fuck the Republicans.


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TerdFerguson wrote:
I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


Copy of supposed memo

Key quotes:

– “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”


You're saying this is what all of America is reading before they head off to town hall meetings? Uh, doubt it.


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I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


I don't recall Obama saying anything about it besides to discourage dems from organizing campaigns against the blue dogs and republican opposition. All he has done is try to clear up misinformation.

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I would like to see a copy of the supposed letters/emails telling these olds what to do/say at the town hall meetings. As a community organizer, why is it so hard for him to think these people want to voice their opinion?


Copy of supposed memo

Key quotes:

– “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”


You're saying this is what all of America is reading before they head off to town hall meetings? Uh, doubt it.


if you really think these people represent all of america, you're falling for the same trick outlined in Gam's post. They are a vocal and incendiary minority stirring shit up for the sake of stirring shit up.

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Sweet Greggo wrote:
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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!

I'll bet everyone in that picture is a birther.


What a lame dodge... does that mean that all the war protesters were Truthers?

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Sweet Greggo wrote:
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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!

I'll bet everyone in that picture is a birther.


What a lame dodge... does that mean that all the war protesters were Truthers?

how is it lame? They're holding signs with swastikas on 'em.
Also, there are, what, 5 people in that pic? That's not a generalization saying all people who disagree with Obama are birthers.


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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
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Sweet Greggo wrote:
rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
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Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

Uh, Nancy, methinks the politician in you is showing....

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You wouldn't be trying to misdirect attention away from the true issue would you?

them shifty Dems, they're the only ones that play politics!

I'll bet everyone in that picture is a birther.


What a lame dodge... does that mean that all the war protesters were Truthers?

how is it lame? They're holding signs with swastikas on 'em.
Also, there are, what, 5 people in that pic? That's not a generalization saying all people who disagree with Obama are birthers.


Gee where to start...

1. There is one person holding an anti-swastika sign
2. swastikas = birthers how? What does one have to do with the other
3. Gam later claims that "half the country" are birthers, and or racist...
4. Its lame because its a simple ad hominem attack on the people as opposed to there argument. If you disagree with them, fine, state your case. To simply label them birthers (i.e. crazy conspiracy theorists) or racist is a lame way of admitting you can't argue the merits of the issue... just my opinion...

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in that one post by Gam, he states that the people in that pic may be all birthers. I don't see how that's some grab asstic comment.
I dunno where else he said that shit, that wasn't what I was referring to.
And until y'all admit them birthers are nuts, and distance from 'em, I don't know that you should go around grading other people's thoughts.


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is it true that there will be a panel of doctors who decides who gets to live and who dies?

yes, those are DEATH PANELS!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: "Fishy" Views Regarding the Healthcare Plan...
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3. Gam later claims that "half the country" are birthers, and or racist...


look at the surveys, dude. half of texans think obama's a muslim. most southerners aren't sure he's even american. You don't even have to be paying attention to have heard of all of these stats and studies.

http://washingtonindependent.com/53396/ ... in-america

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 Post subject: Re: "Fishy" Views Regarding the Healthcare Plan...
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
cap wrote:
is it true that there will be a panel of doctors who decides who gets to live and who dies?

yes, those are DEATH PANELS!!!!

so obama is a nazi?

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No, he's a Muslim. Try to keep up.

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 Post subject: Re: "Fishy" Views Regarding the Healthcare Plan...
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
in that one post by Gam, he states that the people in that pic may be all birthers. I don't see how that's some grab asstic comment.
I dunno where else he said that shit, that wasn't what I was referring to.
And until y'all admit them birthers are nuts, and distance from 'em, I don't know that you should go around grading other people's thoughts.


Ich, half the country thinks the man was born in Kenya, or are just seriously pissed off they have a half black president. Just how much rational debating are you expecting to take place at these meetings? Most of these people demonstrating and causing rucussii don't give a rats about the topic at hand. ---- SweetGreggo

Birthers are nuts. Happy Are Truthers nuts? Point is, calling dissenter "birthers" is chickenshit and stupid, and I would expect you to know better.

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