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Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:  For Uncle Ich: Security and privacy are not exclusive
Really good column by Bruce Schneier
Author:  Sagger Pance [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:22 pm ]
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what a fag
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:24 pm ]
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Sagger Pance wrote:
what a fag


You are.
Author:  Sagger Pance [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:26 pm ]
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no way!!!
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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Sagger Pance wrote:
no way!!!


and you're a niggerknifer.
Author:  Sagger Pance [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:32 pm ]
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well I'll be a monkey's uncle!
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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Sagger Pance wrote:
well I'll be a monkey's uncle!


you should go insert your peepee in a telephone jack. Jack!
Author:  Ichabod [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:43 pm ]
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Thanks Walt. Schneier articulates his point very well...... I want to have his child.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:28 pm ]
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Ichabod wrote:
Thanks Walt. Schneier articulates his point very well...... I want to have his child.


I kinda thought you liked him.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:22 pm ]
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Domestic Access to Spy Imagery Expands

oh goody. Uncle Ich, whatcha think?
Author:  Ichabod [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:37 am ]
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These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:08 am ]
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Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:
precisely.
This whole line of bullshit security in the name of national security and antiterrorism has got. to. stop. NOW!
Author:  Sweet Greggo [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:16 am ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:
precisely.
This whole line of bullshit security in the name of national security and antiterrorism has got. to. stop. NOW!


had any more attacks on US soil lately?

well then.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:19 am ]
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Sweet Greggo wrote:
rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:
precisely.
This whole line of bullshit security in the name of national security and antiterrorism has got. to. stop. NOW!


had any more attacks on US soil lately?

well then.


if you think that absolutely proves anything, you're more weakminded that I originally thought.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:41 am ]
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Good, quick interview with Michael Scheuer, author of "Imperial Hubris".

Scheuer is a former CIA employee. In his 22-year career, he served as the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka "Alec Station"), from 1996 to 1999, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center. He then worked again as Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004.
Author:  hogcods [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:08 am ]
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" Bin Laden lays them out for anyone to read. Six elements: our unqualified support for Israel; our presence on the Arabian peninsula, which is land they deem holy; our military presence in other Islamic countries; our support of foreign states that oppress Muslims, especially Russia, China and India; our long-term policy of keeping oil prices artificially low to the benefit of Western consumers but the detriment of the Arab people; and our support for Arab tyrannies who will do that."

I have read and agreed with some of what this guy has said, but this makes me go Huh?

1. Our support for Israel is not unqualified.
2. Our presence in the Arabian peninsula has not been entirely forced. There are many in the Arabian peninsula who PAY us to be there.
3. We support Russia? See Condi's comments today about Putin. We do business with China and Russia...much like we do business with Saudi Arabia and several other Islamic nations.
4. So oil prices are artificially low because of us??? WTF??? Last time I saw a hungry suffering Arab, it was at the hand of his government, not ours.
5. and 6.

Sour grapes because Saudi Arabia kicked his ass out of the country and his family has severed ties.
Author:  Sweet Greggo [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:14 am ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
Sweet Greggo wrote:
rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:
precisely.
This whole line of bullshit security in the name of national security and antiterrorism has got. to. stop. NOW!


had any more attacks on US soil lately?

well then.


if you think that absolutely proves anything, you're more weakminded that I originally thought.


why did you even bother to respond to that post?
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:24 am ]
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hogcods wrote:
" Bin Laden lays them out for anyone to read. Six elements: our unqualified support for Israel; our presence on the Arabian peninsula, which is land they deem holy; our military presence in other Islamic countries; our support of foreign states that oppress Muslims, especially Russia, China and India; our long-term policy of keeping oil prices artificially low to the benefit of Western consumers but the detriment of the Arab people; and our support for Arab tyrannies who will do that."

I have read and agreed with some of what this guy has said, but this makes me go Huh?

1. Our support for Israel is not unqualified.
2. Our presence in the Arabian peninsula has not been entirely forced. There are many in the Arabian peninsula who PAY us to be there.
3. We support Russia? See Condi's comments today about Putin. We do business with China and Russia...much like we do business with Saudi Arabia and several other Islamic nations.
4. So oil prices are artificially low because of us??? WTF??? Last time I saw a hungry suffering Arab, it was at the hand of his government, not ours.
5. and 6.

Sour grapes because Saudi Arabia kicked his ass out of the country and his family has severed ties.


Pfft.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:26 am ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
hogcods wrote:
" Bin Laden lays them out for anyone to read. Six elements: our unqualified support for Israel; our presence on the Arabian peninsula, which is land they deem holy; our military presence in other Islamic countries; our support of foreign states that oppress Muslims, especially Russia, China and India; our long-term policy of keeping oil prices artificially low to the benefit of Western consumers but the detriment of the Arab people; and our support for Arab tyrannies who will do that."

I have read and agreed with some of what this guy has said, but this makes me go Huh?

1. Our support for Israel is not unqualified.
2. Our presence in the Arabian peninsula has not been entirely forced. There are many in the Arabian peninsula who PAY us to be there.
3. We support Russia? See Condi's comments today about Putin. We do business with China and Russia...much like we do business with Saudi Arabia and several other Islamic nations.
4. So oil prices are artificially low because of us??? WTF??? Last time I saw a hungry suffering Arab, it was at the hand of his government, not ours.
5. and 6.

Sour grapes because Saudi Arabia kicked his ass out of the country and his family has severed ties.


Pfft.


I'm on a rhetorical roll today.
Author:  SSSpare [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:26 am ]
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Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
Author:  mesilla [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:27 am ]
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SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:28 am ]
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SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.


You complete me. :soppy:
Author:  SSSpare [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:30 am ]
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mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here


FC was right about you. You've changed. :mad:
Author:  vbear [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:30 am ]
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Great post, Spppppare.
Author:  SSSpare [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:31 am ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.


You complete me. :soppy:


Dump the beard and let's spoon. :bananapepper:
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:32 am ]
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SSSpare wrote:
rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.


You complete me. :soppy:


Dump the beard and let's spoon. :bananapepper:


:D :weenie:
Author:  mesilla [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:36 am ]
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SSSpare wrote:
mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here


FC was right about you. You've changed. :mad:
yeah, I'm a regular Walt jr.
Author:  SSSpare [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:43 am ]
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mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here


FC was right about you. You've changed. :mad:
yeah, I'm a regular Walt jr.


Please go back to be being pre-Walt Mesilla. Oh, and FC is not jealous of you and Walt. If you have any doubt, then please re-read his 5,000 word post about how he's not in the least bit concerned about your relationship with Walt.
Author:  mesilla [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:45 am ]
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SSSpare wrote:
mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here


FC was right about you. You've changed. :mad:
yeah, I'm a regular Walt jr.


Please go back to be being pre-Walt Mesilla. Oh, and FC is not jealous of you and Walt. If you have any doubt, then please re-read his 5,000 word post about how he's not in the least bit concerned about your relationship with Walt.
But then who would I emulate? I have to have SOMEONE tell me how to talk, act and think at all times of the day!! Tell me!?!!??! WHO WILL GUIDE ME!!????!!!
Author:  hogcods [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:45 am ]
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mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
mesilla wrote:
SSSpare wrote:
Ichabod wrote:
These are the weasel words used to ensure that the program passes muster with the general public;

The new plan explicitly states that existing laws which prevent the government from spying on citizens would remain in effect, the official said. Under no circumstances, for instance, would the program be used to intercept verbal and written conversations.

The only problem is that the government just waits for everyone to become comfortable before "suddenly" deciding that it is in the "best interest of the public" that closer monitoring occur, because, afterall, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide! :mad:


Adding to this problem is the fact that most people don't read anything, watch anything or listen to anything that challenges them. For example, in this shitty town, think of all the fucking idiots that listen to the ticket all day everyday. Just mindlessly listening as they repeat the same sports stories/lame bits all fucking day. When there is political talk it's from this incredibly self centered, self absorbed upper middle class white pussy point of view wherein the police are all upstanding, the government never lies and the lower economic classes are to be feared.
hey come on, there's no reason to throw BAD under the bus here


FC was right about you. You've changed. :mad:
yeah, I'm a regular Walt jr.


But less farty, cuz girls don't do that.
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:48 am ]
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wait, what the hell is going on now?
Author:  fruitdog [ Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:46 pm ]
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Not really a privacy issue but it's certainly a civil liberties issue-

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/53 ... -2011.html
Author:  rowdyhatinwalt [ Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:54 pm ]
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fruitdog wrote:
Not really a privacy issue but it's certainly a civil liberties issue-

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/53 ... -2011.html

wtf? This shit's making me kinda nervous.
Author:  Spam [ Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:26 pm ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
fruitdog wrote:
Not really a privacy issue but it's certainly a civil liberties issue-

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/53 ... -2011.html

wtf? This shit's making me kinda nervous.

:shock: freakin liberals, the spambunker is lookin pretty good now
Author:  cap [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:43 am ]
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rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
fruitdog wrote:
Not really a privacy issue but it's certainly a civil liberties issue-

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/53 ... -2011.html

wtf? This shit's making me kinda nervous.

that's what the terrorist should be saying.
Author:  fruitdog [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:29 pm ]
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Spam wrote:
rowdyhatinwalt wrote:
fruitdog wrote:
Not really a privacy issue but it's certainly a civil liberties issue-

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/53 ... -2011.html

wtf? This shit's making me kinda nervous.

:shock: freakin liberals, the spambunker is lookin pretty good now

:babyarm: buying all the guns and ammo I can afford
Author:  TerdFerguson [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:46 pm ]
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Wolverines!
Author:  Spam [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:02 pm ]
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TerdFerguson wrote:
Wolverines!

can't wait to watch terd drink the blood of his first kill!
Author:  Cledus [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:08 pm ]
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I think Trip wires are good.
Author:  Spam [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:13 pm ]
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Hi Cle
Author:  Cledus [ Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:04 pm ]
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Hi Spambone.
Author:  Ichabod [ Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:48 pm ]
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Okay, time to talk about privacy issues again.... latest thing to pucker meh brown eye; my birthday is just around the corner (I know, I can't believe I'm still alive either!) Anyway, in the last two days I've gotten two different cards in the mail from local McKinney businesses wishing me a happy birthday and a discount coupon.

That's nice, but troubling in the aspect that there is no way that a local "Mom and Pop" restaurant should know my birth date unless it was "shared" with them by another business.... Say like a CREDIT CARD company!

It's no wonder that identity theft is so rampant with businesses playing fast and loose with their privacy policies. :mad:

I've got calls into both businesses asking for their source.
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